The Long and The Short Of It

Peter Shepherd and Jen Waldman co-host The Long and The Short Of It, a weekly podcast that runs just 16 to 20 minutes per episode and covers the art and science of being human — with a strong lean toward work, leadership, and personal growth. Shepherd is Australian, Waldman is American, and the transatlantic perspective gives the show a slightly different lens than podcasts rooted entirely in Silicon Valley or New York business culture. With 390 episodes and a 4.9-star rating from 155 reviews, the show has built a small but fiercely loyal audience. The format is a conversation between the two hosts — no guests, no interviews, just two people who clearly enjoy thinking together. They explore frameworks for decision-making, challenge each other's assumptions about productivity and success, and frequently reference books, researchers, and ideas from outside the usual business canon. The brevity is the show's secret weapon. Each episode picks one idea and examines it from multiple angles without overstaying its welcome. Listeners describe the tempo as "relaxing" and the discussions as thought-provoking without being heavy. If you like Seth Godin's approach to business thinking — short, punchy, focused on the question behind the question — this podcast will feel familiar. It is ideal for anyone who wants a quick intellectual spark before or after their workday, something that makes you reconsider a habit or an assumption without demanding a two-hour time commitment.